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Chris Knipp
02-20-2011, 09:13 AM
Jon Chu: Justin Bieber: Never Say Never (2011)
Review by Chris Knipp

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Justin Bieber forever -- or for a while

You may know this. Justin Bieber is a sixteen-year-old boy from Stratford, Ontario, Canada who sings (and dances, and writes songs). He is becoming rich with his singing. He is very popular, particularly with young girls, also with many women. He became famous first through YouTube videos, some of which go back to his earliest childhood. Then through the support of black singer Usher, and through touring the country and playing and singing acoustic on a lot of local radio stations and working up from malls to mega-halls. Jun Chu's celebratory (promotional) documentary, Justin Bieber: Never Say Never (in 3D) leads up, ostensibly, to the moment when young Bieber sold out Madison Square Garden, in New York, the mark of a major pop entertainer. In fact, there is not much suspense about the success of this event, commercially, anyway. As it turned out, when tickets for a tour went on sale, "MSG," as Bieber likes to call it (perhaps not aware of the unwanted Chinese food additive) sold out in twenty-two minutes.

There is nothing either exceptional or defective about this film, but you do not go to see it to judge its merits as a film. You go to find out what this kid is like and why he's popular, or if you're a fan, to thrill and cry and feel the glow. And there is a glow. Justin, "the Biebs," is charismatic. He is cute. He is upbeat, and has a charming smile. He exudes some of the squeaky-clean smiley radiance the young Donny had, of Donny and Marie Osmond, only he's a bit better looking and he isn't a Mormon. There is resilience, perkiness, and tremendous drive in the boy. Then there is the hair, which he flicks in a way that drives women wild. He was always a performer, posing with a guitar when he could barely hold one, good enough on a full set of drums to play a jazz concert at the age of twelve, mildly soulish in the twists and wavers of his voicings. And he is athletic, playing soccer and hockey as a kid, good except for an unwillingness to surrender the puck or ball once he got it; we see him sink some basketballs with apparent ease. He plays keyboards, some other instruments perhaps.

But Justin Bieber turned into a phenomenon too soon to turn into a musician or singer or songwriter, and this happened because the Internet allowed him to bypass the Disney-style pop promotional machine, moving up to super-famous in a year and a half or two years when otherwise it would have taken many years. He worked with his own little team, independently, like a Canadian, but in America, once he had a manager. He'd have been eighteen, nineteen, twenty. Twenty-one, even! Instead it started when he was fourteen or so. Dates are unimportant. What's important is that he's going through puberty, a little late, and his voice is changing. Reports say that he got his voice coach, Jan Smith, "Mama Jan," to deal with that. It seems likely he'd have hooked up with Mama Jan anyway to deal with the challenges of performing over 80 times a year, and to get some voice training.

He was born of a teenage mother and his parents split when he was two. He was raised by loving grandparents. This was not a wealthy family that provided a team of tutors. He went to the local school. He was sociable and he had (has?) friends. The film shows him reconnecting with them periodically. Though his new life leaves little time for that, those scenes show him at ease and having fun. He isn't one of those "artists" whose careers are fueled by loneliness or the dreams of an outsider. He just had talent and wanted to perform, and there were video cameras and there was YouTube. In fact some, in debunking this film, say you could get as much or better simply by watching all the videos of Justin Bieber on YouTube. That's unfair because here we get to hear from the Biebs in some detail, and get the usual breathless picture of the touring and performing life.

A Rolling Stone cover story (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/justin-bieber-talks-sex-politics-music-and-puberty-in-new-rolling-stone-cover-story-20110216), "Super Boy," reveals that the Biebs (no huge surprise) is not deeply informed. Fans will be thrilled, perhaps shocked, at the cover picture in which he wears a leather jacket, off the shoulder, over a white tank top, with pouty face rather than his usual smile, and -- spikey geled Corey Haim-ish hair! The author/interviewer, Vanessa Grigoriadis, recounts how she approached her subject (who arrived an hour late driving his Range Rover) feeling she was the luckiest woman in the world because she was a big fan/fantasist for/about him, but when she got in the car, she dropped her fantasy at once because she realized he is just a "child." Is he wary of having his childhood "stolen" pace Madonna on Michael Jackson? His manager Scooter Braun (young and clean-faced like Justin) recounts Biebs' hearing this and saying, "Don't let that happen to me." Or is he in fact being locked into childhood? Or did that happen to Jackson and is it the same thing? Anyway, Justin Bieber is revealed by Grigoriadis as a little short on actual knowledge. He doesn't read the paper, doesn't know about politics. He's against abortion, so far as he knows. He is reluctant to read chapters of the textbooks he's supposed to be studying. Anyway, he leads an odd life now but he is as close to normal as is possible under the circumstances. He is also rather short. He wants to grow taller. He needs to. It's also a question what his voice will sound like and how his fans will respond when it fully changes, because it is changing, and doesn't really have the timbre his fans fell in love with.

Okay, that's about enough about Justin Bieber. Do not hate him. There have been much less talented people raised to sudden stardom. But his songs are pretty bland and he's no Michael Jackson either musically or in the dance department. As he says at the end of the Rolling Stone article, he doesn't feel powerful. He thinks his fans are powerful. "If they don't buy my albums, I go away." Smart kid.

Chris Knipp
02-20-2011, 03:51 PM
Various reviews damn this film because they see it as puffery. I don't defend it from that accusation, but the same is true of nearly every pop music documentary. The Rolling Stone article is quite good of its kind. Unlike the usual celebrity interview pieces, it admirably acknowledges and then sets aside wonderment early on and focuses on facts and on Bieber's views on issues: homosexuality (he's okay with it), abortion (he is against it), rape (he hasn't been there), Canada (he won't leave it if only for the sensible health care), war (he opposes it, and notes with pride that Canada doesn't start wars), his stardom (as noted, he acknowledges that's in the hands of his fans). His views are not profound, but they're serious and sensible for a teenager. As comments on the article have noted, Bieber's responses reflect a Christian upbringing -- but not a fundamentalist, bigoted one. The questions are not meant to show Bieber up but to treat take him seriously, and at the same time acknowledge that he's a boy, with limited experience of the world.

One reason I do not engage in Bieber-bashing is that for me one pop star is much like another. The Stones have more edge, Dylan is cooler, Neil Young is mellower, the Beatles are more classic, Metallica is scarier, Eivs was the King, Old Blue Eyes could really swing--- but then we get into jazz, which is music on another level. People who denigrate Justin Bieber and use this film as an excuse to do so imagine that there are levels of pop music that do not exist.

But WARNING: unless you are pretty much ready and willing to watch any music documentary ever made, as I am, you should think twice about watching this one unless you think Justic Bieber is really cute and can't get enough of his songs. As Peter Travers says right in Rolling Stone in his review (http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/reviews/justin-bieber-never-say-never-20110211) of the movie,
Bieber fever spikes big time when our star pulls a fan from the audience at every show to sing "One Less Lonely Girl." Still there are tolerance levels to consider. The Bieb croons "baby baby baby baby" more times than Lindsay Lohan pleads "not guilty." After a while the movie starts to feel like lethal injection by bubblegum. For me, every pop music doc eventually starts to feel like a lethal injection of something or other, but I've developed an immunity over the years. That's why I can watch a three-hour documentary about the internecine conflicts of Metallica and have a good time.

oscar jubis
02-20-2011, 05:29 PM
It is "Osmond" not "Osborne". If this is not proof that I read all your reviews, I don't know what is.

Chris Knipp
02-20-2011, 08:30 PM
Okay, you get extra credit.

Johann
02-22-2011, 10:51 AM
"Do not hate him", Chris?
Too late for me.

I have more of a typhoid-type fever with regards to this "phenom".
I just can't stand him or his hair.
Maybe that's weak, but he's got a huge movie at age 16 and sings really shitty songs. "Baby Baybay Baby Baby Baby Baby...."
Lots of women love being called "baby" don't they?

I don't know what's happened to Johnny Depp. He met Bieber and said he was a "Belieber". UGH.
This is the same man who read Mad road driving... by Kerouac out loud on Kicks Joy Darkness?
The same Doors & Stones fan?
The same Gonzo actor?
I don't get it.
Maybe his kids love Bieber and he just has to go with that flow.
Surely people can be objective on this kid?
He may make a CD worth listening to.
In about 10 years.
MAYBE

Chris Knipp
02-22-2011, 01:12 PM
His songs are not made for you. You should just get that and let it go.

Johann
02-23-2011, 11:54 AM
Hard to let it go when you are bombarded with his horrific visage ten trillion times a day.
Hard to not comment in the negative when I'm assaulted 24/7 by Bieber shittiness.
It angers me even more beacuse I know he won't go away.
I can't block his media machine so I maintain my own.
Bieber is a marketing juggernaut and nothing more.

Chris Knipp
02-23-2011, 01:12 PM
His visage isn't horrific; it's cute. I don't know what universe you live in to be so bombarded. I watch Al Jazeera, Charlie Rose, and new French films. Manhattan has no images of Justin Bieber floating on the street. I'd never seen him except once a video because another video referred to his popularity.. As for this movie, I went to it because it's a pop phenomenon. I liked Bieber much more than the Jonas brothers, who don't seem particularly pleasant. Stars for the bubblegum set have existed for decades. Remember Menudo? Whose members were replaced when they reached eighteen? I don't see any reason to be so het up about them. It's really quite amusing.

As for an unblockable media machine, one can say that of any pop star.

Menudo members were picked largely for their pouty look. Bieber is a little different. I still think he was a great drummer at 12.

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SOME VERSION OF MENUDO


April 16, 2007
MIAMI — The Puerto Rican boy band Menudo, which gave singer Ricky Martin his start, is coming back as part of an “American Idol”-style reality show called “The Road to Menudo.”

Dozens of Latino teenagers showed up for auditions Saturday at a waterfront market in Miami, the Miami Herald reported. Judges included Johnny Wright, the manager behind New Kids on the Block, ‘NSync and the Backstreet Boys, and Backstreet Boy Howie Dorough.

Menudo was one of the most popular boy bands of the 1980s and ’90s, rotating in new talent every few years when the singers got old or their voices changed.

You probably need to be gay or a teenage girl to like watching boy bands.

Chris Knipp
02-23-2011, 01:18 PM
Menudo members were picked largely for their pouty look. Bieber is a little different. I still think he was a great drummer at 12.

Johann
02-24-2011, 01:31 PM
Bieber was cute as a 3 year-old kid, banging away on some drums Mommy bought him.
Where is his talent?
It's in fleecing young girls (and families) for their allowance or other hard-won monies.

Here's two quotes from Bill Maher's Great Book New Rules from 2005, both re-printed here in their entirety because I think it's totally N' Sync with this subject:

Talentless teenagers who exist to amuse us must keep up the battle to be the dippiest wit. First Paris Hilton's topless cellphone pictures ended up on the internet; isn't it about time Britney Spears did something trashy? Come on, Honey, use your imagination. I don't know- let the wind blow your pants off, or have a miscarriage in a liquor store, or get a de-vorce from Butthead. The ball's in your trailer court.


Not Another Teen Movie

Somebody make a movie I want to go see. If you're asking why movies have gotten so bad, I'll tell you why: it's because Hollywood studios now get 60% of their money from DVDs, all of which are bought by the young, dumb male demographic, the same one that's given us MAXIM magazine, attention deficit disorder, and George Bush.
When I was a teenager, Hollywood didn't give a damn about me- and that was good!
Good for the movies and good for me because I was challenged- to smarten up instead of dumbing down.
Besides ruining movies, we've also managed to ruin our kids by making everything be about them.
And now, if I want to see a movie, I had better like loud noises, things blowing up, and Colin Farrell (note: I dig Farrell, Maher doesn't)
Movies suck because Hollywood has figured out that Mom and Dad don't spend their money on movies anymore; they give their money to their kids and THEY spend it on movies- to break up their shopping sprees at the mall.
It's like American parents are on one long date with their kids- no, it's even worse; it's like Robert DeNiro in CASINO, helplessly trying to buy the love of a shopaholic hooker with no heart, played, of course, by Sharon Stone.
Before I die, could someone please make one more movie I want to go see?
I'm not asking for the moon here, and I'm not some film snob with a ponytail who only likes subtitled Albanian documentaries.
But to middle-aged people like me, a good movie is like good sex- you don't have to put one out every day, but when whole seasons go by without getting one, you do start to get horny for a little entertainment.

Chris Knipp
02-24-2011, 02:04 PM
Johann, you enjoy sounding off, and you often do so with style, but it is not always valid.

Where is his talent? In his precise sense of rhythm. He also has singing talent. He is not in the category of talentless teenagers, and by the way, Britney Spears and Paris Hilton aren't teenagers.

I am relieved that you do not have a ponytail or like Albanian documentaries. That really lends your remarks credibility.

DVD's and Internet downloads are also ways for us to see rare films that don't get theatrical distribution.

You've said, Johan, that you haven't gone to see many films in theaters in the past year. If you don't see any, how do you know whether they are worth seeing or not?

Your putting many comments on this thread is a good way of drawing more attention to the Justin Bieber movie.

Johann
02-24-2011, 02:30 PM
Singing talent? My ears don't register it for the Beeb. All I hear is a kid whose balls haven't dropped.

That was Bill Maher talking, not me. I do agree with his point though.
Intelligent film lovers will find the films they want, on the internet or elsewhere.
We seek, and WE FIND.

As far as knowing whether a movie is worth seeing or not, in my case my "good film radar" is pretty damn good.

I'm a pretty good judge of what's crap and what's not. And I'm keenly aware that one man's masterpiece is another man's "won't-watch-it-Tripe"
(Case in point: I LOVE Oliver Stone's Alexander and just about everybody else in the universe hates it).
Personal taste is personal taste. But there's a difference from having a guilty pleasure in loving something that's really bad and going all-out in praising it/defending it to all comers. People gotta be realistic, gotta be objective. There has to be some thought behind the praise, some justification for the hype and huge media attention a movie like Bieber's gets.
And unfortunately there is none to speak of to my mind.
I don't understand the appeal of this kid.
Why are so many people jumping on this douche's bandwagon?
Where is the medulla on this kid? At minimum, he's harmless pablum. At worst, a pacifier for legions of people with zero taste.
I must say it again: He's a Marketing Juggernaut. That's it. That's all. The cupboard is bare.
And people lap it up.
How culturally bankrupt is everybody that Bieber is the Standard for Pop Music today?
The Beatles were a boy-band too in the beginning.
Look at that Massive Legacy and tell me why it hasn't been duplicated or even remotely attempted by modern groups.
You don't have to.
Because Real Talent is damn scarce these days.
Ego and marketing is Paramount.
I see it plain as day.

And nothing I say or nothing you say will stop people from checking out Bieber's movie.
Shit attracts flies, especially when it's a Giant manure pile.

Chris Knipp
02-24-2011, 04:34 PM
It will be nice if as many people read my individual Rendez-Vous with French Cinema reviews as read your rants against the boy singer. My latest one is a film about kids and Sarkozy's war on the undocumented, which has led police to raid schools. It's Romain Goupil's HANDS UP (http://www.filmleaf.net/showthread.php?3026-Rendez-Vous-with-French-Cinema-at-Lincoln-Center-2011&p=25830#post25830).

oscar jubis
02-24-2011, 09:53 PM
I remember listening to innofensive bubblegum pop like The Osmonds and The Partridge Family when I was in elementary school. Nowadays, given the ubiquity and intrusiveness of the star-making machinery, a certain antagonism towards the "stars" is bound to surface. My kids hate Bieber's guts, and Miley Cyrus's too.I just watch from the sidelines.

Johann
02-28-2011, 11:48 PM
:)

Cool. No harm done.