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Chris Knipp
10-29-2008, 06:11 PM
KEVIN SMITH: ZACK AND MIRI MAKE A PORNO

Harvey and Kevin make a love story

Roommates and longtime friends Zack (Seth Rogen) and Miri (Elizabeth Banks) meet a gay couple (Brandon Routh and Justin Long) at a high school reunion held on the eve of Thanksgiving. One of these guys (Routh) is so handsome and charming Miri crudely and of course futilely propositions him on the spot. Zack happens to talk to his lover (Long, hilariously deep-voiced and confident). It turns out the gay men produce and act in their own profitable line of gay porn films. They really are good-looking and have it together, and Zack and Miri, being so broke their electricity and water have been cut off, decide to make a porno of their own. The plot twist, obvious in conventional romantic comedy terms, is that the process of shooting a sex scene with them in it makes Zack and Miri, who, we don't know exactly why, have contented themselves with hasty, meaningless sex with others up to now, realize--after a slight delay--that they've really loved each other along.

Smith's use of Seth Rogen in a schlub-wins-pretty-girl comedy (there's no doubt that Elizabeth Banks is pretty) links him with Judd Apatow's productions, but let's hope he isn't swallowed up by the Apatow factory. Apatow can do anything, but in spite of the success of Knocked Up, Super Bad, Forgetting Sarah Marshall and Pineapple Express, I wish he'd go back to producing really good failed TV series like Freaks and Geeks and Undeclared, where Seth got started and Judd gave birth to all the good comedy.

Kevin Smith's continuing appeal is his own. It lies in his faithfulness to his New Jersey "Askewniverse" regional working-class outlook and in his ability to call a spade a spade, "spade," in this case, being a string of four-letter words. He has never strayed far from his basic concerns even when more money came his way, as it did as soon as his under-$30,000 debut production Clerks was snapped up by Miramax and feted at Sundance and Cannes. Smith's movies are frank and contemporary, outrageous and funny. Above all they're sui generis, a quality achieved through adhering closely to favorite tropes and locales and a posse of pals.

His dead-end mallrats entering their thirties without accomplishment or future speak truth, and the best things about his movies has always been the dialogue, which is spiky and arresting and nonstop and alive, even if he avoids polish so studiously that the lines aren't as memorable as they might be. Or is it just that I'm too old to be fully tuned in to the language, even though I understand it? Relationships and situations get honest treatment, even though they're hardly explored in depth. He's also good at politics and religion, as in Dogma, which took things a step beyond Clerks. Raised as an Irish Catholic, Smith delighted in insulting the Church, but the Catholic League didn't take his provocations lightly. Sometimes drawing on Ben Afleck and Matt Damon and other celebs, he's kept going back to the same crew of actor-friends and characters, including Jason Lee, Brian O'Halloran, Mr. Affleck, Betty Aberlin, Jeff Anderson, Walter Flanagan, Ernest O'Donnell, or course Kevin Smith himself ("Silent Bob"), and my own favorite and the most frequent of all, the provocative yet needy Jason Mewes. Smith's last movie was Clerks II (http://www.filmwurld.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=15651#post15651), which much like Zack, highlighted a sexually outrageous act in a shoddy fast food joint. A good addition here is Zack's black cohort from his place of work, Delaney (Craig Robinson of the US TV "The Office"), who has great timing and delivery, and becomes the porno's producer.

In a way Zack even directly reenacts what Smith actually did when he shot Clerks--he made a movie at night in the New Jersey convenience store where he was then working in the daytime. The crew in Zack wind up making their porno at night in the non-Starbucks coffee shop called Bean-N-Gone where Zack and Delaney work. Predictably, a guy (Tyler Labine) comes in in the wee hours to buy a cup of coffee so he can drive home. He's so drunk he doesn't notice that one of the new porn recruits and Jason Mewes are having sex on a platform in front of the counter. This time, even though it's put off and partly an afterthought, the main characters not only find love but success in free enterprise--with their friends.

Smith's dialogue never falters. But I confess to an increasing nostalgia for the purity and simplicity of the original Clerks. That had a promise, a sense of how ordinary guys could be witty and smart, a sense that though nothing was happening, something momentous still might. It hasn't. Zack and Miri doesn't take us any further than Clerks II did; I think Clerks II even had cleverer dialogue. This time down-and-dirty language is beginning to feel wearisome. It's beginning to feel forced. People don't talk that way all the time--at least women don't. But that doesn't mean Smith's fans are burned out. The Weinstein brothers have picked up this one, and nobody's going to lose any money. Last time I compared Kevin Smith to Eric Rohmer. That may seem far fetched at first, due to Rohmer's delicacy vs. Smith's gross-out factor. But both filmmakers are essentially perpetual adolescents who write good dialogue. Both of them go back to the same themes every time. Rohmer doesn't always make a masterpiece and neither does Smith. But you keep coming back. I still like this vulgarian indie auteur.

cinemabon
10-30-2008, 05:49 PM
In some markets, the film is now entitled: "Zack and Miri," dropping the 'porno' part from the film's title. Evidently some newspapers and television stations refused to run the ads. Smith acted nonchalant about the whole thing, stating he did not care as long as people saw it. The recut of the film changed the rating to an "R." The DVD version will obviously be unrated, with Traci Lords... whatelse?

Chris Knipp
10-30-2008, 06:08 PM
That kind of puritanical stuff is messed up. It might not all be my taste, but it's perfectly healthy. I'd probably be happier in that regard living in a Scandinavian country.

cinemabon
10-31-2008, 01:44 PM
Svedish? Blondes have more fun... Happy all Hallow's Eve... followed, of course, by hangovers and All Saint's Day.

According to Digitalspy, actor Seth Rogan spoke out regarding Utah's ban of the film (based soley on the title, mind you), stating: "They show 'Saw V' and not 'Zack and Miri' like that makes a lot of sense!" (based on the observation that mall theaters in Salt Lake City would not show a film with 'porn' in the title)

Chris Knipp
10-31-2008, 02:59 PM
If Utah wants to give the movie some extra free publicity that's fine. A Philadelphia city official also objected to the use of the word "Porno" in posters--
Philadelphia's deputy mayor for transportation quips, "if they want to call the movie Zack and Miri, that's fine, but Zack and Miri cannot make a porno on my bus shelters." And the film had some rating problems originally, getting an NC-17 rating. "Clerks II" apparently didn't have that problem and Seth Rogen remarked
"a guy f—ing a donkey, they ain't got no problem with, but a man and a woman having sex they seem to have real issues with, for some weird reason. It's insane. It's completely insane.". Etc.

oscar jubis
10-31-2008, 07:01 PM
I'm happy to report that the words "Make a Porno" have NOT been excised from any review, advertisement or listing of any kind here in South Florida. I am however disinclined to watch this movie after viewing the trailer. There are simply too many better options as far theatrical screenings at the moment. But you never know...

Johann
04-07-2009, 09:23 AM
I haven't seen this and I don't know if I will.
Seth Rogen was great in Knocked Up and I'm a fellow pothead, so I can't hate the guy.
But his movies are quickly annoying me. Something sharply turns me off of Pineapple Express, the new Observe and Report, Man, is Hollywood bankrupt!
Two security guard "comedies" in a few months time? What's next? Robin Williams as a freaky security guard? Dave Chapelle's big comeback as a black, inept security guard? Zak Efron as a douchebag security guard! Keep those security guard movies coming Hollywood! I cant's. gets. enoughs.
I need those huge belly laughs!
I've waited my whole life to see Paul Blart..ha ha ha
I wanna puke...

But to get back to Kevin Smith, part of me really loves the guy (Mallrats and Jay and Silent Bob were riots, totally hilarious, and Chasing Amy & Dogma are tied for his finest film) and part of me wants to ignore him completely. Sometimes his tone borders on contempt for everybody, a fanboy elitism that I understand yet don't really endorse. He's an icon to some people and I get that. He has a HUGE audience and his movies usually make good money. But he's not living up to his creative potential. I feel he's someone who could add serious weight to the "superhero movie" genre yet he keeps making these "indie" films with his pals...
I don't get it.
A man like him, with his knowledge of comics and cinema and he can't become as incredible as Christopher Nolan?
He can't get immersed in a project like Peter Jackson?
Why?
My guess is he's one of the laziest directors in Hollywood.
You kick ass kevin, but you are not bringing it like I know you could.