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hengcs
05-23-2005, 12:28 PM
In this issue ...
http://www.time.com/time/2005/100movies/index.html
http://www.time.com/time/2005/100movies/the_complete_list.html

A - C
Aguirre: the Wrath of God (1972)
The Apu Trilogy (1955, 1956, 1959)
The Awful Truth (1937)
Baby Face (1933)
Bande à part (1964)
Barry Lyndon (1975)
Berlin Alexanderplatz (1980)
Blade Runner (1982)
Bonnie and Clyde (1967)
Brazil (1985)
Bride of Frankenstein (1935)
Camille (1936)
Casablanca (1942)
Charade (1963)
Children of Paradise (1945)
Chinatown (1974)
Chungking Express (1994)
Citizen Kane (1941)
City Lights (1931)
City of God (2002)
Closely Watched Trains (1966)
The Crime of Monsieur Lange (1936)
The Crowd (1928)

D - F
Day for Night (1973)
The Decalogue (1989)
Detour (1945)
The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie (1972)
Dodsworth (1936)
Double Indemnity (1944)
Dr. Strangelove: or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964)
Drunken Master II (1994)
E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial (1982)
8 1/2 (1963)
The 400 Blows (1959)
Farewell My Concubine (1993)
Finding Nemo (2003)
The Fly (1986)

G - J
The Godfather, Parts I and II (1972, 1974)
The Good, The Bad and The Ugly (1966)
Goodfellas (1990)
A Hard Day's Night (1964)
His Girl Friday (1940)
Ikiru (1952)
In A Lonely Place (1950)
Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956)
It's A Gift (1934)
It's A Wonderful Life (1946)

K - M
Kandahar (2001)
Kind Hearts and Coronets (1949)
King Kong (1933)
The Lady Eve (1941)
The Last Command (1928)
Lawrence of Arabia (1962)
Léolo (1992)
The Lord of the Rings (2001-03)
The Man With a Camera (1929)
The Manchurian Candidate (1962)
Meet Me in St. Louis (1944)
Metropolis (1927)
Miller's Crossing (1990)
Mon oncle d'Amérique (1980)
Mouchette (1967)

N - P
Nayakan (1987)
Ninotchka (1939)
Notorious (1946)
Olympia, Parts 1 and 2 (1938)
On the Waterfront (1954)
Once Upon a Time in the West (1968)
Out of the Past (1947)
Persona (1966)
Pinocchio (1940)
Psycho (1960)
Pulp Fiction (1994)
The Purple Rose of Cairo (1985)
Pyaasa (1957)

Q - S
Raging Bull (1980)
Schindler's List (1993)
The Searchers (1956)
Sherlock, Jr. (1924)
The Shop Around the Corner (1940)
Singin' in the Rain (1952)
The Singing Detective (1986)
Smiles of a Summer Night (1955)
Some Like It Hot (1959)
Star Wars (1977)
A Streetcar Named Desire (1951)
Sunrise (1927)
Sweet Smell of Success (1957)
Swing Time (1936)

T - Z
Talk to Her (2002)
Taxi Driver (1976)
Tokyo Story (1953)
A Touch of Zen (1971)
Ugetsu (1953)
Ulysses' Gaze (1995)
Umberto D (1952)
Unforgiven (1992)
White Heat (1949)
Wings of Desire (1987)
Yojimbo (1961)

Howard Schumann
05-23-2005, 03:43 PM
Great to see Leolo on there. It is an overlooked masterpiece. However, I don't think Mouchette is greater than Au hasard balthazar or Diary of a Country priest. Nor do I think City of God is in any way superior to Pixote. Nonetheless, it is an iconoclastic list with some very good choices.

oscar jubis
05-23-2005, 05:20 PM
Time magazine's list is "A Taste of Two Dicks". Nothing more.

Lists like this are great debate starters though.

Some choices you may like but I sure didn't:

Kandahar representing Iranian Cinema.

Notorious over Vertigo.

Talk to Her representing Spanish-language Cinema.

McCarey's The Awful Truth over McCarey's Make Way for Tomorrow (both 1937)

Blade Runner over 2001.

The Crime of M. Lange over The Rules of the Game.

Finding Nemo over Classic Disney.

No Bunuel, no Sirk, no Fuller, no Antonioni, no Dreyer, no Tarkovsky, no Rossellini, no Resnais but two Sergio Leones, Drunken Master II, The Fly, City of God, A Touch of Zen, It's a Gift, Leolo and Camille.

arsaib4
05-23-2005, 10:25 PM
"No Bunuel, no Sirk, no Fuller, no Antonioni, no Dreyer, no Tarkovsky, no Rossellini, no Resnais..."

There's a Bunuel with The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie, but shockingly none of the others. Also, no Oliveira and Pialat, but I've gotten used to that. No Kiarostami either, but a weak Makhmalbaf!

Still, some great choices that you don't normally see.

oscar jubis
05-23-2005, 11:11 PM
Yes, there's a Bunuel and a classic Disney I also overlooked (Pinocchio).
No Kiarostami, no Hou, no Dovzhenko, no Tourneur, no Eisenstein, no Saura, no Erice and no fucking Murnau!
A few of my very favorites are there though: Kane, Aguirre, Searchers, Ugetsu and Tokyo Story.
And a single movie I haven't seen: Nayakan.

arsaib4
05-23-2005, 11:24 PM
Not to be picky, but Sunrise (Murnau) is there.

Nayakan is directed by Mani Ratnam (The Youth). It's an Indian "Godfather" in many ways, but much more violent.

oscar jubis
05-23-2005, 11:58 PM
I'm going to blame overlooking Sunrise on Dwayne Wade breaking my heart tonight with his 7-out-of-25 game.
I'll try to watch Nayakan. My fave Indian film is still The Cloud-Capped Star.

tabuno
05-24-2005, 12:07 AM
I had haven't seen most of these films, in part, due to my relative age (I focused more on 1960 movies and onwards) and my limited scope of American movies. Yet I am curious about some of these selections such as:

Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956) over The Day The Earth Stood Still (1951). I feel that The Day The Earth Stood Still is considered more significant in terms of contemporary social impact (the liberal viewpoint) versus the more conservative, anti-communistic version of Body Snatchers.

The Fly (1996) over the original 1958 version or any number of horror movies such as the Exorcist, Rosemary's Baby, The Omen, Jurassic Park, The Shining, The Sixth Sense.

I also have to disagree as others have to the omission of 2001: A Space Odyssey.

I had also hoped to see Dr. Zhivago, Alien, How the West was Won, Dances With Wolves, West Side Story, The Incredibles, Apocalypse Now, Clockwork Orange.


I am glad to see Bladerunner and Brazil on this list.

arsaib4
05-24-2005, 12:10 AM
Yeah, I was watching it too. Pistons are my favorite. No stars, but they're a TEAM.

No Ghatak either, but that's nothing new. My choice is still Ray's Trilogy when it comes to Indian Cinema.

oscar jubis
05-24-2005, 12:52 AM
Pistons are still the champs but I give HEAT a chance to de-throne them. Flash had open looks and kept missing shots he normally makes. Dylan and I have tix for Game 2 and we expect a different result. I know we may be kidding ourselves.

Originally posted by tabuno
I had haven't seen most of these films, in part, due to my relative age (I focused more on 1960 movies and onwards) and my limited scope of American movies.

There's a lot of great American films but films from elsewhere provide alternative sources of pleasure and edification. Same goes for older films, including silents.

Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956) over The Day The Earth Stood Still (1951). I feel that The Day The Earth Stood Still is considered more significant in terms of contemporary social impact (the liberal viewpoint) versus the more conservative, anti-communistic version of Body Snatchers.

This list simply reflects the taste of two people, not any claims to "significance". Actually, some people interpret Snatchers as an attack on McCarthy-era hysteria. As for horror, I love Jacques Tourneur's American movies like I Walked with a Zombie and I hate Catholic-propaganda dependent on special effects like The Exorcist.

wpqx
05-24-2005, 07:22 PM
you bastard, you just beat me to this, oh well guess I don't have to post the link. Anybody else amazed that they picked Dodsworth as the best film of the 1930's?

arsaib4
05-24-2005, 08:00 PM
Also, no The Rules of the Game, but The Crime of Monsieur Lange is the only Renoir.

No Annie Hall or Manhattan, but The Purple Rose of Cairo for Allen.

One of their Bergmans include Smiles of a Summer Night over Wild Strawberries and Seventh Seal.

I don't mind their choice of Ulysses' Gaze for Angelopoulos, but I would've preferred The Travelling Players.

Johann
05-25-2005, 02:23 PM
It's a very admirable list- they seem to be aiming for a "general all-around-please everybody" type scroll.

I read today that they both said they didn't like Gone With The Wind- "a faux epic"

Ok.

No complaints whatsoever: (37)

Barry Lyndon
Apu Trilogy - anybody who doesn't like S. Ray doesn't know cinema.
Bande a part
Aguirre, The Wrath of God
Casablanca
Children of Paradise
Chinatown
Citizen Kane
City Lights
City of God
Dr. Strangelove
The Dekalog
8 1/2
The 400 Blows
The Godfather
The Good, The Bad & The Ugly
A Hard Day's Night
Ikiru
It's a Wonderful Life
Lawrence of Arabia
The Man With a Movie Camera
Metropolis
Meet Me in St. Louis
On The Waterfront
Once Upon a Time in the West
Pulp Fiction
Raging Bull
The Searchers
Singin' in the Rain
Smiles of a Summer Night
Some Like it Hot
Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans
A Streetcar Named Desire
Taxi Driver
Tokyo Story
Ugetsu M.
Yojimbo

The above titles are without question worthy of a top 100 list.

But as others have mentioned, no 2001: A Space Odyssey OR Clockwork Orange (ACO should be mandatory on any top 100 list) placating Kubrick fans with Barry Lyndon is good but not acceptable- I would have put Paths of Glory on a top 100. There's no Eisenstein, No Tarkovsky, 1 Bunuel?!, no Fuller, no Cassavetes, Day For Night over Jules et Jim, E.T but no Wizard of Oz, The Fly but no Exorcist, Persona but no Seventh Seal ?!?!?!

and on and on.

Should I get mad?

wpqx
05-25-2005, 07:21 PM
No you shouldn't. If I posted my top 100 and said it was definitive, you'd all jump on me, for many of the same ommisions. I wouldn't have an Eisenstein film on my list, and personally it's refreshing to see sacred cows like Potemkin, Rules of the Game, and above all Vertigo not on a list. There are a few films on there that I haven't even heard of much less seen, so always a good thing to get some new ideas. I would like to add that although it is a matter of personal taste, no 2001 is nearly unforgivable. Cheers on Olympia though, damn good film.

oscar jubis
05-26-2005, 01:00 AM
Originally posted by Johann
The Fly but no Exorcist,
Should I get mad?
I may never understand why even cool people I like a lot think The Exorcist is a great film. Maybe the problem is within me, more specifically my belief that the devil is a man-made, faith-through-fear concept.

wpqx
05-26-2005, 07:25 PM
I'll admit that the conversion to atheism lessened the impact of the film, but I was never actually scared by it. Now me and my death metal loving friends just enjoy the blasphemy. As for the Fly being included, I'm just happy that Cronenberg was represented, and I view the inclusion of the Fly more for his sake than a representation of a genre. Personally Shivers, Videodrome, and Dead Ringers might be better, but that gets us back to bitching about the films selected again. But I'll just say hurrah for including Berlin Alexanderplatz.

Johann
05-27-2005, 01:21 PM
The Exorcist isn't a film I love for the satanic storyline.
I love it for it's audacity and all-emcompassing horror vibe.

I've never believed in Satan- human construction indeed.

It's like my mom said when my sister asked if there was a santa claus at age 8:
"Do you believe in Santa Claus"?
"Yes".
"Then he exists".


The Exorcist is the best film William Friedkin's done. I love The French Connection, but only really for Gene Hackman.

Exorcist was shocking in it's day and still shocks people. I showed it to a friend who had never seen it and he went apeshit.
"What a terrifying movie. Don't ever do that to me again".

Who doesn't get creeped out at Regan doing that spiderwalk down the staircase? Man if Friedkin had left that in in 1973 it would have caused an even greater furor. It's a very unsettling movie. LOVE IT!
It's got a cult/special status in film history. (And literary history).

At the audition with her mother Linda was told she's auditioning for a wierd movie.
Friedkin: "I have you doing some shocking things in the movie.
Do you know what masturbation is?"
Linda: "Yeah- it's jerking off."
Friedkin: "You know what jerking off is?"
Linda: "Yeah, don't you?"
Friedkin: "You got the part kid".